This response will be due at 12:00 MIDNIGHT on February 8/9.
*** How important is true faith/belief in The Bacchae? is something more important?
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
*** Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?
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ReplyDelete*** Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?
ReplyDeleteI definitely believe that in the play Bacchae, Dionysus is a sympathetic character. Although I am only in the beggining part of the novel, It has already changed the outlook that I have of Dionysus. Initially I believed Dionysus to be evil and real selfish but I think he became that way because the people in the greek lands caused him to become that way. His cousin Penethus is very rude and jealous of him to my knowledge because Dionysus was secretly born from Zeus, which is a highly looked upon god. Penethus is upset because he is not a god, but because Penethus is the king of the Thebes his word of mouth is causing Dionysus to have a bad name around town. Yes, His actions are justified because they are speaking bad about both him and his dead mother in such a harsh way. I Think his actions should be justified to let the people know that he is truly a god so that he can get the respect that is granted to any god.
*** Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behavior? Is it justified? Does it need to be?
ReplyDeleteI don’t believe that Dionysus is at all a sympathetic character nor does he show any characteristics that hit in the direction of sympathy. His role in the play has been that of a spoiled Greek god who finds pleasure out of causing disaster to the life’s of the people in Thebes. And for what to prove that his mother was knocked up by Zeus! His Behavior in the play is absolutely dislikable and makes me understand Pentheus’s attitude toward him. Is death ever justified when it’s not voluntary? Pentheus’s mother killed him involuntarily because she was under Dionysus barbaric spell. Frankly Dionysus is in my implements a sick way of life.
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ReplyDelete*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning of the play, Pentheus is practically viewed as a mirror-image of dionysus. They both are young, hold lots of power, and wish to one day rule the city of thebes. However the apollinian nature comes out in Pentheus in terms of the authority he wants to hold. Unlike Dionysus, whom wants a happy, relatable community, Pentheus wants civic order of his people, singling himself away from everyone. This soliditary act of perfection, which we see in Apollo, consumes the character of Pentheus.
*Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?*
ReplyDeleteIn the Bacchae i'm not sure that I would nessecarily consider Dionysus a sympathetic character in the play but I can see why he is so angry. He just desires to be respected as a god and when people, especially his own mother's family, deny the fact that he is a god well oh buddy he is pissed. As he should be but in showing them a lesson I think he went a little too far. Having a mother rip her own son apart with him still alive? and for her to think she has slain a lion and takes it to her father to see the only heir he has left impailed on a staf while he has gathered all the body pieces.. wow. I think that Dionysus well proved his point and truly made a martyr out of the royal family.
(now I know where the basis of modern gore and pcychologial horror books,movies ect were derived from)
As forthe need of jutification it really seems to fit with all the other terrible things that occur in Thebes that aren't really justifiable but go with the themes that the Greeks included in their myths and dramas.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?***
ReplyDeleteAlthough Pentheus is the cousin of Dionysius, he demonstrates some more Apollonistic traits. He is patriarchal and believes in inequality. He stands out a s a leader and therefore as an individual. He believes in war because he is a military man, a very un-Dionysian thing to do. Being the son of the former king of Thebes, he feels betrayed that Cadmus pled his allegiance to Dionysius. Also, as a removed spectator, he disapproves of the Bacchae. In the end he is overtaken by the role he wants to play. His longing for authority consumes him.
Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteI think that Pentheus is the exact opposite of his first cousin Dionysis. Which in literary terms he foils Dionysis. Pentheus so far seems to be a fan of law and structure. Because he has standards and structure he seems to follow the rules of the god Apollo. It seems as if Pentheus is obessed with law and order as opposed to Dinoysis who just cause with the flow. Pentheus seems to be a natural born leader and ruler that upholds the law.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus possesses characteristics that relate to Apollo and some that might be more extrememe than Apollo. Pentheus and Apollo share a desire for absolute authority. Pentheus disagrees with Dionysus's authority and beliefs and thinks that he, himself represents legal order and a proper order of life. Pentheus is a little more extreme by his selfish, arrogant, vain and suspicious behavior. He will not let his state worship Dionysus and wants everyone to look upon him and only him.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteI believe Pentheus demonstrates Apollo but, not to he full extent. He carries both traits from Apollo and Dionysus's. When young Pentheus and young Dionysus they both yield a lot of power and wanted the rule thebes in the beginning. But Pentheus also has more of apollo traits when it comes to order i his life. But he does it in a very DIonysus way having aggressive behavior and only wanting people to look up to his own reign and glory.
*Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?*
ReplyDeleteDionysus does not seem to be a very sympatheti character, but he is being very mistreated by his cousin Pentheus especially considering that he is a god. His behavior is a little extreme considering that he made Pentheus' mother rip his head off and practically tear him to pieces. I don't think that that extreme is really justified; however, it does not need to be.
Kathleen Browning
ReplyDelete*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
Pentheus is both Dionysian and Apollonian. He is mostly Apollonian because he wants order and perfection in everything in life. He wants to be in control and rule the people and this is also very Apollonian. In my opinion, he is Dionysian because he goes after what he desires in life. Some of his characteristics are selfish and vain which are more Dionysian. Most of all his is Apollonian.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteI believe that Pentheus is the opposite of Dionysus and therefore, demonstrates Apollonianism. Pentheus believes in and is obsessed with order and structure and that is seen in the way he tries to establish authority. It is also seen in how he wants to have control over women. The only way I think Pentheus demonstrates Dionysian behavior is how he is kind of selfish.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus demonstrates more traits of Apollo than Dionysus. The reason is because Pentheus craves absolute power over the people. He believes in structure in society by law and order unlike his cousin Dionysus who believes in doing whatever one desires.
Joanna Hust
***Is Dionysis a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his character? Is it justified? Does it need to be?***
ReplyDeleteNo, I do not think that Dionysis is a sympathetic character in this play. He proves to be rude, and acts as if it is his goal to make people surrounding him miserable. He is not only miserable with himself, but thats not enough-oh no-he needs to make Thebes and all of its' people down with him. Bottom line, he is not sympathetic, and I don't feel sorry for him. He is a god, he should get over his foolishness.
Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteWhile Pentheus demonstrates both Apollonian and Dionysian traits he leans more towards the Apollonian side. Pentheus wants power over his people, and order in his life. He is a leader and like the feeling of control. All of these characteristic are more traits of Apollo rather than Dionysis even if his cousin is Dionysis.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus, the cousin of Dionysius demonstrate Apollo in many ways. He carries traits from both sides. Pentheus wants absolute power over the people and the city. Pentheus is also shown to be unsuccessful, stubborn, and arrogant which are characteristics of Apollo. Pentheus wants to establish a mortal, balanced power as the single legal monarch which is the total opposite of what Dionysus believes in.
***Is Dionysis a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his character? Is it justified? Does it need to be?***
ReplyDeleteI believe that Dionysus’ character is compassionate/sympathetic. From reading, The Birth of Tragedy, it would seem as though Dionysus was up to no good and mischievous. However, this play had his character be an aid for his followers; such as, by performing miracles to help his worshipers out, etc. I also believe that his behavior justified only what he wanted to achieve, which was having everyone recognize him as a god (since his daddy is Zeus). He is only doing what he believes would let him receive the respect that he “deserve”, however I do not believe you can get respect by force.
*** Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behavior? Is it justified? Does it need to be?
ReplyDeleteI do not believe that Dionysus is at all sympathetic in The Bacchae. I feel that it is Dionysus' primal nature that prevents him from any sort of true compassion. Primal urges posses no consideration for feelings, they have a simplistic focus on survival. In this case, it is Dionysus who realizes the overall impact he has over people (mainly the woman) and uses that to gain power. He uses the control that he maintains over the women to eliminate anything or anyone who may pose a threat to him. Dionysus' actions are very selfish throughout the play however his charm distracts from his original intention, allowing him to manipulate those who fall under his spell. I think that Dionysus' thirst for power stems from his ongoing search for respect as a god. He is so consumed with his desire for respect that he uses his power to gain it (which we all know doesn't work).
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteThroughout the play, Pentheus is trying to establish order in the city of Thebes, which is consistent with the ideals of Apollo. Other characteristics that he shares with Apollo, such as his tenacity and his leadership capabilities. He is similar to Dionysus, because he lets his need for power takeover instead of thinking through his decisions like Apollo would.
Pentheus is the polar opposite of Dionysus. He reviles and rebukes any idea of the worship of Dionysus. Naturally, his opposition to him would also indicate his strong bias towards a more Apollonian worldview. He shows his disgust at the wild and open behavior of the Bacchae and offense at Dionysus support of them. It undermines his reign of order. Ironically enough, it would seem that his very core has a Dionysian desire to gaze upon the maenads that causes his demise. Perhaps, his Apollonian surface is merely a facade masking his inner yearning towards what Dionysus offers.
ReplyDelete*Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behavior? Is it justified? Does it need to be?*
ReplyDeleteIn this play, I believe that Dionysus is a sympathetic character. He is lacking the respect that he deserves from his birth right but still is helping people out. Even though he is rude and trying to make his claim, I see nothing wrong with his actions. He is simply trying to prove a point when he makes sure Pentheus is ripped apart by his own mother. Being born a god, I feel his behavior is to be expected and doesn't need any justification.
Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?
ReplyDeleteI believe that Dionysus is not a sympathetic character. Dionysus is a selfish character who takes pride in creating havoc in the world. Although he has been doubted as even being a god i believe he makes it a point to prove that he is by showing how important and powerful he is.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus seems to demonstrate more Apollonianism than Dionysianism. Pentheus, just like Apollo, is structured and believes in perfection. Although he wants order and control, he sometimes demonstrates Dionysianism. Pentheus can be similar to Dionysus because he sometimes does what he wants.
Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus definitely has an Apollonian personality but there are times he has a small amount of Dionysism . He demonstrates his Apollonian characteristrics through his need for control and order. If something is going on that is out of plan, his whole world becomes off balance. His Dionysian characteristics are shown through his ego. He’s the type of guy who likes to be right all the time and being right seems to turn him on.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism. He frequently shows extreme passion which is a strong word in the case of Dionysus. For example, he wants to see Bacchae on the mountain and he has a strong passion to do so. Dionysus often powers over him and often causes strong sexual desires from Pentheus towards women. It is said in the book that Pentheus is sexually curious and has a 'passionate desire' to see the maenads on the mountain. This is not at all Apollonian.
Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus seems to show some Appolistic charateristics. He seems to have need to be the authority over people. He also believe in haveing structure. Pentheus also seems to be a real stickler for the rules. He feels that they must be upheld to keep order. His characteritics are not anything like his cousin Dionyis. Outside of the fact that he is a know it all.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus demonstrates Apollonianism by the authority of order. He is the foil character of Dionysus. They both want authority but the authority they desire are opposite. Pentheus does not want woman running freely; they should be proper. Also he does not want people to worship Dionysus.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus and Apollo have very similar beliefs. Pentheus has similar triats as Apollo because they both want power and rule. Pentheus despsises worship of Dionysus because Pentheus believes he will currupt Thebes. Pentheus wants social order and unity.
Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?*
ReplyDeletedionysus is far from a sympathetic character in this book. In the Baachae he really shows his true self and true identity. Since the beginning of the play he begins terrorizing lives and destroying the reputations of royalty. His vindictive attitude turns people against each other and ruins peoples lives. When I began reading I was atonished by his rude heartless acts and it changed my view of him. But honestly i believe all his acts are justifyable because he feels neglected and tried as a God and feels that he deserves that honor and recognition and since it isn't immediately given, he takes his respect by terrorizing the lives of others. For example, having a mother rip her own flesh and bloods head off is going extremely overboard. But I think that these acts make Dionysus feel that he has more power and the fear of others
Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?*
ReplyDeleteI do not feel that Dionysus is very sympathetic in this play because of what he did to Pentheus. He sent him to be killed by his own mother. Thats a little harsh if you ask me. I think his action are somewhat justified in the play but at the same time, I don't feel it needs to be because he is a god and he is trying to show his power because he is the son of Zeus.
Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?
ReplyDeleteI believe he is not sympathetic. People may think he seeks sympathy by over doing his actions but all in all, he has control over how crazy he makes his life as well as others.
*Is Dionysus a sympathetic character in this play? How do you react to his behaviour? Is it justified? Does it need to be?*
ReplyDeleteI believe that Dionysus is a sympathetic character in this play. The reason why I believe that is because Dionysus is a character that has his guard up and wants to appear to others as strong, powerful and worthy. Inside Dionysus feels hurt and rejected. He feels unwanted as a son of Zeus and he feels the only way he can recieve praise from others is by forcing them to praise him, and view him as important. His behvior is not acceptable but is a result of his hurt and rejection. His actions are definately not justified directly because he is still portrayed as unjust and cruel.
*** Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus mainly demonstrates Apollonianism directly by opposing every thing Dionysus stands for. He is much of a perfectionist and goes out of his way to make sure everything is in order. He’s well demanding, and much like Apollo he seems to end on top. Which can be perceived as his victory, especially in his battle with Dionysus.
Explain how Pentheus demonstrates Apollonianism ... or does he?
ReplyDeletePentheus is the opposite of Dionysus and exhibits some Apollonian traits. He is very controlling and wants to be in charge. Pentheus also likes structure and believes in following all laws because that's the only way to keep the structure.