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I have three questions for you to consider. Pick one and write a paragraph or two outlining your position. Make your responses in the form of comments to this post. Be sure to reference the text if necessary:
* Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
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Sarah Cappuccitti
ReplyDelete*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
From my understanding of the text, it is Apollo that is the god of the individual. Apollo is not only the god of plastic energies but also the soothsaying god, meaning that he presides over the appearance of the dream- worlds . Nietzche describes Apollo as the embodiment of the "principium individuationis", or the principle of individuation. He explains that it is Apollo's emphasis on appearance,as well as his and deep consciousness of nature, that enables one to decipher between dream and reality. This allows man to act as an observer of the world, exposing him to its lessons from which he can grow. It is the Apollonian sense of reason that promotes such individualism. However, its is when Dionysian impulsiveness overwhelms man; that mental barriers blur as the "principium individuationis" weakens. Thus, bringing an end to man's entitative existence and a reversion of evolution itself. It is Apollo that promotes the individual that must doge the effects of Dionysus, which threatens it.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteApollo is the God of the individual. The Apollonian impulse is "pricipium individuationis" which is that man is separate and distinct from one another. This protects man from the chaos of life. Dionysus is the God of chaos and disorder. He believes that man should be united as one whole, single unit. Since Dionysus is associated with intoxication which is associated with losing yourself in an unrestrained state. On the other hand, Apollo is associated with order and heirarchy. "If you add the "awe" of man, when he is in the unrestrained state, to the ecstasy in the innermost depths of man(nature), when principium ondividuationis collapse, one gains insight to Dionysus which then causes the inidividual to go into a state of complete self-forgetfullness." pg.3
when anwswering the question "are the Greek Gods artificial", artificial must first be defined in regards to human beings. Is the creation of something by a human artificial? In my opinion the suggestion that the Greek Gods are artificial constructions of humans suggugest that there is or are higher beings whose constructions are superior to those of humans. Therfore making the unartificial constructions of those higher beings true or real. resulting in a total controdiction of the suggestion that the Greek Gods are artificial constructions of man. Simply put how can the Greek Gods be artificial constructions of man without suggesting that man itself is a construction of some higher power A.K.A a God?
ReplyDelete*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain
ReplyDeleteIn the text the Birth of Tragedy it depicts that Apollo is the "god of all shaping energies, is also the soothsaying god. He who is the 'shining one' the deity of light also rules over the fair appearance of the inner world of fantasies"(3). Later in the text it goes into what Dionysus really is as the, God of disorder and chaos. But I believe we should look at look at Dionysus and Apollo as Dionysusism and Apolloism. More as a religion in this case because it is more something the individual choses to follow. You could also maybe put it into the context of day and night. You can't have order without chaos. So this leads me to conclude that you need both to be somewhere the God of the individual. Because Apollo does ensure more of an enlightenment or projection of organization, it still needs something to be organize, that is the role of Dionysus.
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ReplyDelete* Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteI think by this quote, Nietzsche is trying to explain that the dream world is the canvas upon which our plastic are it recorded. The experiences we have in our dreams are abstract and not always as clear as the thoughts and events we see in the real world. However, without the exaggerated thoughts of our dreams we would lack a specific uniqueness and creative element that is necessary to create any piece of plastic art. I agree because in our dreams we see things fused together, abstracted, and abnormal. Our unconscious imagination allows our creativity to flow and continue on into the "awake" world of the reality we live in everyday. The intense inspirations we witness in our dreams shape the tangible art we trace in our day.
Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteApollo is the god of the individual because he is the god of the principle of individuation which means that if a man is protected by Apollo, then that man is separated from the chaos of life. Also, the principle of individuation focuses on the separation of man and nature while Dionysian urges are focused on a relationship or raptness with nature. Dionysian impulses also lead to drunkenness which leads to blurred lines between oneself and others as well as with nature which is a contradiction to individualism.
--Louise Kransmo
Which god,Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI truly believe that the god Dionysus is the god of the individual. Apollo is the god of perfection in my eyes and not reality. Although in the book by Nietzsce, it says that Apollo is the god of the individual I do not agree. Dionysus, is the god of nature and physical and spiritual intoxication. By reading the novel Dionysus is explained to be in today's terms "SINFUL" Majority of individuals all over the world today live in sin and do sinful things. I do believe this world could never exist without sin because people always want to do what pleases them which is an example of spiritual and phsical intoxication. I do agree that Apollo is how individuals should be but it is not reality.
**Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteIn Nietzsche’s “The Birth of Tragedy”, I believe that Apollo is the god of the individual because he represents everything that is part of the unique individuality of man or thing. Nietzsche describes him as the “principium individuationis” (the principle of individuation). This means that people are separate from one another and it is important in order to have a functioning world. Dionysus, however, represents chaos and intoxication which is the complete opposite of Apollo.
*Which god, Dionysis or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.**
ReplyDeleteDespite what most people are saying, I have to stand behind my idea that Dionysis is the god of the individual. Apollo represents structure in everyday life, which could represent "individuality." Dionysis represents losing control, like on the weekends how to get away from a stress-filled week, people tend to go clubbing or partying. I think that Dionysis represents the god of the individual because we can really see how the individual acts when taken away from his/her usual daily schedule. Although we are mundane in our weekday activities, what we choose to do to unwind shows our true individual personality.
Joanna Hust
ReplyDelete*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
I believe that Apollo is the god of individualism because the text says, “Apollo himself as the glorious divine image of principium individuationis” (1.3.24-25). I translate this phase as that he represents the individuality in everybody because each person possesses a unique trait about them that no one else has.
Terri Ushery
ReplyDelete*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
I don't believe that Gods are artistic creations. In the quote, Nietzsche states that the Greek gods first appeared in a dream. He later states that some perceive dreams as a different kind of reality. The higher beings that we are taught about in religion are all-powerful, giving them the power to be everywhere and do anything which includes entering other realities, like our dreams.
Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain
ReplyDeletePerssonally I feel that Dionysus is the god of individuality. I feel strongly about this because Dionysus is a type of god that caters towards individual wants and desires. Dionysus seems as if he puts himself first ;as oppose to Apollo who seems to carter to man's societal needs. To explain myself in a more modern day explaination read the example carefully. For example lets say I'm a big time Marketer and I work everyday, I dress professionally, and live a sort lifestlye because of me financial status. This is my Apollo phase I do these things because I have to in order to survive and make it. Now my Dionysus side is more a wild and desirable. During, my Dionsyus phase I carter to my own individual needs like I let loose and come out of my professional attire and put on some skinny jeans and a tee- shirt. Then I do the things that make me personally happy and do things that I want to instead of what I have to do. So, therefore I feel that Dionsyus is the god of individual.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Apollo is the god of the individual being that he is the principle of individuation which separates man from the chaos of life from the ordinary functioning world, when under the protective influence of Apollo. While Dionysus is associated with drunkenness, chaos, and forgotten oneself he represents the collapse of the principle of individuation the failure to tell the difference between the boundaries between appearance and truth.
Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteDionysus undoubtedly is the god of the individual. His artsy and spontaneous charactaristcs give him a boundless outlook on life. Nietzche tells us to consider Dionysian, "..as artistic energies which BURST forth from nature itself".. This explanation, among many others, persuades me to firmly believe that Dionysis is not only a god of individualism, but one of freedom and expression. He seperates himself from the "plastic" Apollo with his unique, unorderly lifestyle.
Kathleen Browning
ReplyDelete* Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
When Nietzsche said that dreams are the prerequisite to art he meant that without dreams we would not have art and I agree. Art is the product of imagination and fantasy. The dream-world consists of both the inspirations of the subconscious and the conscious mind. Without the dream-world we would not have non-fiction books, paintings, movies, music, and many others because dreams create these. The dream-world inspires the desire to create man made art.
* Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the "appearance" of the dream-world is a prerequisite of all plastic art. Nietzche, referred to Lucretius belief that "It is the poet's work to figure out his dreams, and mark them down" so the "appearance" of the dream-world is like inspiration. For example, the artist can visions something in his mind and then paint it. I think the dream-world is where all our inspiration and goals comes from and we make the “appearance” we see in the dream-world reality.
Lauren Bonnette
ReplyDelete*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
"So in the midst of a world of sorrows the individual sits quietly, supported by and trusting in his principium individuationis." In my opinion, Apollo is the god of the individual. According to the text, referenced in the quotation above, Apollo is an influence that leads individuals in a world of sorrows to find hope and a brighter outlook by soul seraching and looking to themselves for peace.
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ReplyDelete*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all gods artistic creations?*
In modern day we refer to the Greek gods as mythology, that is being made up and not being real.. but to the Greeks their gods we're real just as God is in the Abrahamic faiths and as Brahman to the Hindus with all of his avatars of being. All it takes is faith... to whole-hearted beleive in any deity, any god or any goddess to make it real to oneself. To make a person willing to sarifice whatever is nessecary to please their deity and to do what his/her/its teachings tells.
gods are the greatest masterpiece that man ever could have created. The most beautiful, alluring artistic creations because they serve a higher purpose than just social control. Through faith in whatever god, it gives people a reason to want to be something more than what they are, to want to achieve higher standards and excel in this world so maybe in the next it can be a"heaven", or "nirvanna" , or "moksha". It is what makes us human.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Apollo is the god of the individual. In the text, Apollo is described as Schopenhauer's term, the glorious divine image of the principium individuationis. Apollo represents individuality, beauty, appearance, clarity and perfection. Dionysus, on the other hand, represents wholeness, ecstasy, nature, chaos and drunkenness. I think that in order to be individual we have to separate ourselves from all the destructions and intoxications.
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteIt would seem that the Greek gods were creations of men. Their deeds truly reflected human fickleness by varied accounts of their actions and personalities. In most cases, the gods proved themselves to be morally bankrupt. Inversely, they were the zenith of immorality. They were beings that were corrupted with extremely temporal emotions and desires; one's that shockingly surpassed those of undeniably fickle humans. It presents the question of how could these gods be creators of any forms of benevolence or goodness, when they themselves were so corrupt?
But gods can take many shapes and forms. In today's society, money, power, fame and pleasure could easily be agreed upon as the center of many peoples' attention, love and worship. But what is it about those things that draw people to them? There must be an underlying nature in humans that is beyond humanity that dictates these common thoughts and desires.
It seems that a conclusion can be drawn that by the mere fact that there is some sort of a human soul or desire that drives, that we define and feel things to be good and evil - there must be a God existing beyond us. Many don't agree if it is Jehovah, Allah, a force or fate; but there is something that has given humans the ability to exist, think, reason, desire and has not been created by them.
When Nietzsche quotes Lucretius and states that "the the glorious divine figures that first appeared to the souls of men in dreams", I find that the Greek Gods are artificial constructs/artistic creations thought up by early men. Because It was man's imagination that created them through artwork and stories. The Greek God's were nothing more than ideas brought upon by man's need to explain everything that goes on in this world much like every faith based beliefs.
ReplyDelete*Are all Gods artistic creations?*
ReplyDeleteAll Gods are artistic creations because nobody has ever seen God or Zeus or any other God. People just believe they exist and illustrations of them and writings about them help to solidify those beliefs. The Bible itself was written by men who were suddenly inspired by God to write. Those men never saw God themselves; one could even say that the men made it all up from their imagination, therefore making God and the Bible an artificial construction. So yes all Gods are artistic creations.
Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteAHH I don’t have my book with me right now so I’ll try my best!
The dream-world is an illusionary place created by one in which their desires and fantasies can be protected from reality; however, without the dreams reality is unable to be formed. In dreams one’s thoughts are liberated without the constraint of the real world and can constantly change since one knows they are just mere appearances visible to the dreamer alone. Any plastic art, literally representing “art” or reality, is tangible allowing the dreamer to mold and create it. Both the”dream-world” and “all plastic art” correspond with one another since one must draw inspiration for the plastic arts from their own mind. Each day people extract from the world of their inner desires to form the reality of their everyday lives. I agree with Nietzsche because without the “beautiful illusion of the dream-world” nothing real can be created.
p.s is illusionary a word? bc some dictionaries say it is but on this thing its underlined in red? ah i dont know
Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteI think that Nietzsche is claiming that the dream world is a important part to the creation of plastic art. I think that he means that the dream world is the inspiration for a artist to make plastic art. I definitely agree with this quote. The dream world is where people's hopes and goals come from. People need their dreams for ideas and images needed to create plastic art.
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteCoraline Van Asten
I beleive that every religion had its own God and its own beleifs. However i do beleive that the greek Gods were artificial. Having a God for every day experience made life a little sweeter. Must have been nice to thank a God or beleive that a God helped you trought hard times.
I do beleive that every God was created by the imagination of man. it is hard to explain or to beleive, for me, that there is a higher power than Men itself. If there was such a higher power, wouldn't you think that life would be sweeter and there will be no hard work or war? if life was guided and looked over by Gods, wouldn't there be a way for us to make sure of such a statment.
Going back to the book, i do beleive that the Greeks inveted to Gods to make them beleif of a sweeter way of living.
Greeks had a God for everything, today we have a God for every religion. If there were Gods, wouldn't you think they would have rebelled after people did not beleive in them anymore?
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteI believe that all gods are artistic creations. I believe the quote above means that these figures back then were nothing more then the imagination within the human mind. It seems to be human nature to follow and believe in a powerful being. Faith in the "god" is what makes them real to the believer but how can you really classify whats real and whats not? All these religions and gods were made so long ago why am I suppose to believe what is true and what is nothing more then the imagination of man?
Brittany Williams
ReplyDeleteNietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
I agree with Nietzsche b/c in the dream world everything is perfect and resembles beauty. Without a perfect place to believe in there could be no fantasy meaning no postive inspiration. both plastic art and sculptures come from the illusion of the dream world and creates beauty. Without the dream world there would be nothing positive to look forward to. the dream world was created to create a sense of perfection from the harsh realities of life. Every desire and fantasy comes to life and creates happiness and endless joy. in the dream world everything "appears" perfect because thats what its designed to do
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteI feel that there is no way to tell whether gods are real or not. There is the aspect of people asking "where did we come from if there is no higher being" but there is also the argument that people have never seen these "gods" in person. I don't feel that anyone will ever figure out this question. It will continue to be apart of peoples beliefs only.
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteNo, I do not believe that God or gods are artificial constructions. My definition of God(s) are spiritual beings to which an individual or a group of people seek virtue and Earthly support in. In a since, one could say that all Gods are artistically created, appearance wise only. When you think of it, Nietzsche stated the figures come to the dreams of men, which is plural. If that is the case, the different men/artists would dream about the same god/gods but have illustrations of him/her.
However, the statement that gods were artificially created is crazy. I believe that particular statement depends on one’s preference. If one believes that the being(s) are real, then that is what they believe. If someone else believes they are nonexistent, then that too is their belief as well.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteApollo is the god of the individual because of the numerous statements in the essay such as:
"...Apollo stands side by side with the others and an indvidual deity"
Apollo focuses on one's self or man and is associated with the land of dreams. The dreams are an "appearance" whose interpretation can lead to truth. A man is healed and helped. Apollo helps an individual man look for truth & define his purpose and goals in life. The principium individuationis symbolizes man's separation from the chaos of life when under the protective influence of Apollo.
Kaitlyn Pearson
ReplyDelete"Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
Apollo is the god of individuality because speaking objectively, he represents one's perception in terms of reality meaning one's true self. Of course the definition of reality can be argued because there is an objective reality (Apollo) and a subjective reality (Dionysus), Apollo's objective reality better explains individuality in the presence of life because the dream world is indeed real. On the other hand, Dionysus is the god of drunkenness which is a subjective reality because although intoxication is real, it is only real while in a certain state of mind. Drunkenness is not the absolute truth, only a misinterpretation. Therefore, Dionysus gets in the way of one's true individuality.
Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteA common theme throughout the first chapters of The Birth of Tragedy is that art is not the will of the artist but the will of nature. Music, in particular, is the will of Dionysus to present the true nature of our reality. That reality is one of perpetual pain and suffering. We reach out to grab this truth on our own and nature redirects us using the veil of Maya, or veil of illusions. Thus we are always under this so-called 'veil of Maya' making Apolline dreams what Nietzsche calls the 'illusion of illusion'.
In order to achieve the dream state that appears on the surface, the one that inspires art, we must first achieve the one most of us are not aware of. We interpret events as guided by Apollo, the interpreter of dreams.
Just as Apollo cannot exist without Dionysus, the primal Oneness of eternal suffering cannot exist without the Apolline dream state to produce a redeeming image of the suffering in art. The veil of Maya becomes what we "are required to see as emperical reality."
The wisdom of Silenus, that the best thing we could do is die soon, allows for the existance of the Apolline world of beauty. Without this veil of Maya an individual would be "submerged in the self-oblivion of the Dionysiac state and forgot the Apolline dictates... the bliss born of pain spoke from the heart of nature." This leads us to a discussion of the origins of Greek tragedy which aren't relevant to this question BUT the bottom line is...
The visual arts of Apollo could not have existed without the Dionysiac state of perpetual suffering because they were created to redeem it.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nietzsche when he states that Apollo is the "glorious divine image of principium individuations” therefore being that Apollo is the god of individual. Apollo is described as a multi-talented Greek god of prophecy, music, intellectual pursuits and healing. While Dionysus’ acquired traits that present him as the god of tragedy. So Apollo, being described as multi-talented with intellectual pursuits screams individualism.
Also, had Nietzsche not describe Apollo in such superiority, he still refers to Dionysus amongst the word drunkenness, which is far further from individual, than multi-talented Apollo.
Bobby Tommy
Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteI believe that these gloriuos divine figures are imagined idols created by man in which they try to emulate. It is amazing that man has the ability to come up with new ideas and creations. The problem is man has created so many religions that no one knows who they should believe in. In this world people are trying to find someone who they can look up to and who they can truly be inspired by. Honestly, I don't understand how people could worship greek gods when there was no true evidence that they were real. Do these idols talk or do they move? Were there any miracles and signs performed by the gods? If there was show me? These plastice figures are just imaginations of the mind. At the end of the day, I believe there is only one source, one true God who is real and His divine purpose for our lives is to not be transformed by the ways of the world.
* Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteWe said that Apollo is the God of all plastic art. Plastic art meaning something that you can see, touch, or look at. Basically an object that has substance. Dreams are fantasy, something that you can not control. You dont not necessarily have to be asleep to have dreams but you do have to be in reality to understand them. So saying that dreams are the prerequisite to a physical object or "plastic art" is not always true. Many thing that are in dreams do not exist and never will. Somethings in a dream might pertain to plastic art while other dreams do not. When i think of a dream i think of fantasy and romance and that's not something that you can touch or see. There for it is not plastic art.
Morgan-Renee
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteThe Greek gods have always been classified as mythology. They are definitely artificial constructions but were there to give people hope and something to belief in. Though many pictures,statues, and paintings have been produced only your faith can think of them as real. This is the same to do with any God, its all in what you decide to believe in.
Taylor Ruby
*Nietzsche, in quoting Lucretius, claims that "the glorious divine figures (i.e. the Greek gods) first appeared to the souls of men" in dreams. This seems to suggest that the Greek gods were artificial constructions. Are they? Are all Gods artistic creations?
ReplyDeleteI beleive that all gods are artificial constructions, thats why they are gods. Although people have strong beliefs that these gods do exist I believe that it is just a comfort for people so that they have something to explain what happens to them when there life is done. If gods were supposedly first dreamed by men then what gives those men the right to establish them as gods? Everyone including myself have had dreams but that doesnt mean that anyone of them explains or has the right of the other to exclaim who and what "Gods" are.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Apollo is the god of the individual because every action that he takes is one that separates himself from others. He is constantly trying to confine himself in a world where everything is perfect and just. "in our picture of Apollo that delicate boundary, which the dream-picture must not overstep...that measured restraint, that freedom from wilder emotions" (Nietzsche 3). Apollo trusted his "principium individuationis" to keem him from falling into certain Dionysian ways. Even though many other people might have followed Apollo's ways, the fact that he kept himself from conforming to the majority makes him an individual.
wow, i just wrote this bomb-ass response and i went to post it and lost connection and now i have to write it all over again. internet sucks.
ReplyDelete* Nietzsche claims that the "appearance of the dream-world [...] is the prerequisite of all plastic art" (2). Explain. Do you agree or disagree? (N.B. Don't be trapped by defining "dreams" too narrowly.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nietzsche's claim of the dream world being the prerequisite of all plastic art. I feel that Nietzsche has made the connection between the dream world in concrete art. Nietzsche's dream world is the way for man to explain the world around him. This art has one purpose as an expression and explanation. There is little room for interpretation in this sort of art.
I also agree with Nietzsche's claim of drunkenness. He makes the comparison between drunkenness and music. I like this comparison because music isn't concrete and holds many different meanings at different times. They contrast the two different philosophies in art.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteApollo is the god of individualism for the simple reason that we all at the end of the day no matter what outrageous actions we have taken to separate ourselves or however strict we are to a schedule, we are still our own person. We all have similarities and differences and by Apollo being the god believed to have given birth to to other gods he must been seen as the original and therefore most individual. We draw from that each day.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Apollo is the god of the individual. He represents that an individual separates oneself because each person possesses a unique trait about them that no one else has. He believes in the beauty of nature and appearance. Apollo is far different from Dionysus, who represents chaos.
*Which god, Dionysus or Apollo, is the god of the individual? Explain.
ReplyDeleteApollo is the god of the individual because the author refers to Apollo as saying people are individuals and that we are all created differently. Apollo however thinks that everything is in strustcure which to me sounds like people are robots in a way and all do the same thing. However, Dionysis is all about people letting go of themselves and individuals going along with a group instead of individualy